Boks stung by two Bs

There can be no tears for the Springboks’ two bully boys Schalk Burger and Bakkies Botha.

What was Burger thinking? Was he thinking? What he did is one of the most stupid things I have ever seen. He’s man not a kid for goodness sake, playing in his 50th Test match.

The Boks were extremely lucky he wasn’t red-carded, because he should have been, and had the referees given the correct ruling South Africa would surely have lost the Test match.

It’s not about knowing the rules or not. It was just a shocking act which Schalk should be ashamed of. He’s lucky to get away with only eight weeks because before the tour, Alan Quinlan, the Irish flanker picked for the Lions ahead of Tom Croft, was handed a 12-week suspension for exactly the same dastardly deed.

There are some things you just don’t do on a rugby field and having a go at a guy’s eyes is one of them.

I see in the newspapers that South Africans are unhappy that Bakkies Botha has also been banned (for two weeks). They claim he was cleaning out legally and that it is only because Adam Jones was hurt that he was suspended.

What rubbish. Bakkies should have gone years ago because he does a lot of questionable things and has a record as long as his arm. I just find it very frustrating that professional players can’t keep this kind of thing out of the game.

The Springboks on balance played the better rugby to win the series but they were extremely lucky in both Tests.

All credit to Morné Steyn to stand up and kick that last penalty but I really felt it should never have been. Ronan O’Gara was hard done by to be pinned with a penalty because he never took his eyes off the ball and collided with Fourie du Preez. I don’t think it was a case of him deliberately taking Du Preez’s legs.

The other thing that struck me about the two Tests is the difference between a southern hemisphere and a northern hemisphere referee. They were a week apart but it looked as though we were watching two completely different games. There’s a lot to be desired with the way the game is being played at the moment and the IRB really have to move to sort it out.

They don’t seem to have the will to stamp down uniformity. A couple of years ago they said that head-high tackles were a no-no; go above the shoulders and you’re off. Yet week in and week out we see guys getting away with head-high tackles.

Take the Schalk Burger incident. Eye-gouging is a pretty heinous offence and if that’s what the referees decided why wasn’t he red-carded immediately.

It may have been within the first minute but the only way you can have consistency is if everyone knows that the law is the law.

I have been harsh on the Springboks but why am I not surprised to see the Poms doing what they do best – whinging! They had their chances but failed to take them and the Boks came back and won so it’s no good crying now.




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by ryan karim June 30, 2009 15:25 GMT
Dave, would you mind telling me why you feel Bakkies was correctly cited? 1- he approached through the gate 2 - Jones arm should not have been on the BOK side of the ruck 3 - Bakkies connected with his should pin point on Jones shoulder - CLASSIC CLEAN OUT! No where in the rules does it state "Oh please dont come into clean the ruck with too much power" .. nor does it state that a player needs to be bound to another player. I gladly admit Burger had a brain fart but one bad deed does not make a vilian, he's always been a tough cat, but what he did was terrible. As for these "LIONS" i have never heard a bigger bunch of pansies in my life..."Oh the boks were being soo mean and we were playing so clean" ...please cry me a freaking river. When we play the AB's and the Wallies they haaaardly ever complain about how hard the game was and on top of that if they lose they are always gracious in defeat, unlike these spoilt tw@ts. Dave open both eyes partner and call it fair...
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by Addi June 30, 2009 16:47 GMT
Yes, I must say I agree with Ryans' comment. Funny that no one outside SA seems to accept that the Boks won - for goodness sake, let's acknowledge the win and move on. As a spectator I want to see good matches played fair, and leave this chitty chatting and whining to other folks. I want to see good match on Saturday as I've seen them the last 2 Saturdays. And I'm anxious to see what happens in the Tri-nations ...neither the AB nor Wallabies convinced neither against the French nor against the Italians.
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by Frans van Aardt July 1, 2009 00:08 GMT
The clean out from bakkies was fair, i have seen bakkies going in harder in the world cup final. It is unfortunate that Jones got hurt. Why don't you talk about the high tackles from O'Driscoll and company on habana. I think O'Driscoll got away with a lot this series as well, because they both got hurt when they tackled habana does't mean they can't be yellow carded. Bakkies plays good physicall rugby. I agree schalk is problematic that is simple not acceptable. WIth regards to the referees and the players that assisted the Boks in winnig what can i say but bull. We are the world champions, we won the S14, British lions series. We surely had a lot of luck. The proof is in the puding. Congratulations boks. I cannot wait for the tri nations, hope Bakkies will continue to remove people who put their hands where it do not belong, it makes for some entertaining rugby. I am putting my money on the Boks for the Tri Nations that would be very nice Thanks
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by Jacques Knotter July 1, 2009 07:16 GMT
I did not realise that my past rugby hero in David Campese was so niaive and blinded to the game of rugby .I feel sorry for you David .I agree with Skalk Burger offence but diffinately not Bakkies Botha.For the sake of rugby if you think that was an offence then you better take up dancing with your Campese quick step.
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by Brian Jardine July 1, 2009 18:57 GMT
I can't believe that no-one in the media is saying what a great game this was. When you compare it to the junk that AUS and NZ dished out this past weekend, you'll see that this game was a nail-biter and it's just sad that these citings have ruined it. I have to say that Bakkies and Schalk are always going to be in trouble. They are those kinds of players. David Campese should be hired by SA to teach them how to conceal their behaviours a bit better. I can think of two players who always play "on the line" of infringement, (George Smith and Richie McCaw) and they never seem to get in trouble. It's because they are smart about how they do it. Unfortunately, the 2 "B"s are not quite so smart. I said this in an earlier post...this Lions team is just not good enough to beat a tri-nations unit. I know the games were close, but really, it's those close games you must win. I fully expect a 15 point hammering by the Boks this weekend. They are really up for it now that all this whining has taken place.
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by Brian Jardine July 1, 2009 19:21 GMT
Oh, one more thing...anyone notice the Boks scored two first phase tries? One was scored off a line-out (Pietersen) and one off an uncontested scrum (Habana). Did the Boks ever do that under Jake White? Just curious.
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by wesley chibaya July 1, 2009 23:31 GMT
Dave Dave Dave! Come on! Bakkies! Read what U wrote. Are U not judging him with the past that he may have gotten away with. Look at the footage again. Only this time see Nat Sharp in it and not Bakkies. If U are saying U will react the same way then. U have all the right. Bakkies may have a reputation but in this particular instance he was in the right and the commissioner was likely thinking like U. taking the past into consideration which is wrong.Last Saturday`s game was Great!!!!!!! An absolute spectacle. Some of the best rugby I`ve seem in a while. That is excluding Schalk`s moment of madness. This Saturday`s game as well has the makings of a great game and can`t wait! All the best to both teams!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by rhys middleton July 2, 2009 03:14 GMT
Bakkies' clean out was totally legal. You make out like he's done something so heinously wrong but then you fail to tell us what it is that he's done wrong??? That footage has been reeling over and over and there is nothing illegal in it. I thought rugby was a tough game. One other thing on the Ronan O'gara incident, and dont get me wrong i'm a big fan of his, but he never even thought about going for the ball... May be he was watching it as you said, but if he is not going to challenge for it surely you should get out of the way, so as not to give a penalty away. I totally agree with schalk and i'm sure he regrets every minute of it, it really was bad and he should have got more of a penalty. I also personally think Devilliers is smoking crack or something trying to defend his intent at the time. So well done on that point Dave i think you got that one right, but seriously, read your script back to yourself and maybe you'll see where we're all coming from.
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by rhys middleton July 2, 2009 03:27 GMT
one other thing, i dont know how sheridan did not get cited for punching Andries Bekker in the nads, how does he get away with that but bakkies gets nailed for something legal. The english will 1 - always whine and 2 - always think they're the best. To the celtic nations i have nothing but respect, they always play with heart!
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by kris cooper July 2, 2009 08:21 GMT
Typical Oz comment... Dave, still pissed that Pieter ran circles around you in 1995??? ye, what Schalk did was not right.. but Bakkies is a hard player.. if u don't like it go play soccer or maybe bowls... Aussies are big cry babies..... no surprise actually...
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by kris cooper July 2, 2009 08:28 GMT
Aussie should stick to criminal sports like Aussie rules. Most of there Union players are from other countries anyway. So what do they know about rugby union anyway.....
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by Manus Le Roux July 2, 2009 10:48 GMT
Campo what a twat you are. Just the self same whinging you complain about you do the self same. Moaning like all the others about Schalk and Bakkies but not one word about the Lions what they did. They came for a fight from the 1st minute, as that is how Mcgeechan coach and he doesn't know any other way, and they lost it. They took on men bigger than themselves and they couldn't stand up to the fight. Toe to toe they can't manage but afterwards in the press moaning and bitching they can do a lot of. What a bunch of losers. They should have been beaten by 30 points plus as they are and never will be up to the Springboks standard. And then you have the nerve to comment about the last penalty of O'Gara ? Geez you were a professional rugby player you should know the bloody rules. Stop blasting us with this incomprehensible bull and go grow a personality in the hole you crawled out of.
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by SuperBru July 2, 2009 13:01 GMT
You know Campo, i thaught your say in SA might have made you tuff but i guess yr back to shagging sheep.
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by Samuel T Coetzer July 2, 2009 14:37 GMT
The Lions lost for one reason only.................. Four Lions Players could not stop Jacque from scoring a try in a space that could hardly fit a Campo braincell in...and if I recall correctly o'gara was involved in that incident too. accept your failures and move on. If you are too light to play the game at its basics and stop players from scoring tries when all odds are stacked against them ...then dont blame it on those who play it harder than you.(bakkies) harping on something like bakkies's charge ... the aneduacated will spend days to find silly other reasons for the lions to have won. ps Schalk should now take early retirement as that incident should be an example of what we dont need on a field and we dont need him on a field again. just a canadian perspective
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by George Mouton July 2, 2009 16:30 GMT
Yeah, this is now really starting to PISS me off big time... Everyone (Brits/IRB/Dave etc) keeps going on about Bakkies.... YEAH, what was so illegal with that ruck clearance.... justify your statements/back them up with some explanation other than it was illegal... AND also state why you twats fail to mention Lions's (O'Driscoll & Sheridan) foul play.... WHY??? This makes it CLEAR that you twats are out to get us SAFFAS/Sprinboks BECAUSE you TWATS are so so SO SO FCUKING jealous of US and our SPRINGBOK success!!! BUT..... We FORGIVE you for YOUR weakness...!!!
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by Derek Willson July 2, 2009 17:54 GMT
I am kind of out of touch living in the US but watch every Sharks, Bulls and international game I can. What makes me frustrated is that South African get Cited all the time where as other countries player do not. I think SA need to get in on this and start filing complaints correctly. One instance in the Lions game Andrew Sheridan Punched Andries Bekker in the groin Bekker (It was the break down where bekker shoved Sheridan and he throws his arms up as if he is being picked on). Funnily I have not heard anything about this? Go Bokke
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by ryan karim July 3, 2009 20:32 GMT
Whoa...c'mon now folks lets not ger too heated Dave is allowed to state his opinion, it just so happens that quite a few people do not agree with it, that certainly dont mean we should go nuts and start cussing and going at him. State your points... BTW - i still think Bakkies is innocent....haha...in fact i think the IRB will overturn the ruling, you heard it here first.
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by Barry Hatfield July 4, 2009 05:08 GMT
It looks like they want to get rid of Botha to even the game up for the last test. However, Dave is right about Botha's record - he's the dirtiest player on the Boks, so he has rightfully attracted attention (used to be Matfield was on a par, but he has cleaned up recently). You always had the impression that Bok players who are too clean do not make the team - guys like the Cheetah's black flanker and their hooker - and coach Peter de Villiers recent comments only confirm it. Burger normally looks pretty clean to me - I can only think he has had undue pressure applied for being too clean by Bok standards. Normally, I would say give Botha the benefit of the doubt but an a***hole like that for a coach suggests institutionalised fouling and therefore heavier penalties.
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by Selwyn Price July 4, 2009 08:19 GMT
George Mouton, what an excellent example of a Saffa supporter you are - ignorant, one-eyed, foul-mouthed, abusive, arrogant and paranoid. I've never backed Campese before, but by comparison you make him appear objective and even, dare I say it, intelligent.
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by fred stausebach July 4, 2009 08:35 GMT
Heck...yeah...that Mouton character sounds like a DOF
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by James Ritchie July 4, 2009 14:28 GMT
Abusing David is just as stupid as Burgers moronic act which allowed the Lions an escape route to explain their loss. This was a nail bitingly close series full of drama and missed opportunities, especially by the Lions. The Boks suffered the same fate in 1997 through poor goal kicking, no whingeing by the Boks then, they failed. I see 74% of posters on this site think Bakkies was innocent? Majority rule? The fact is Rees blatantly dived in the side of that ruck a fraction later but was not penalised, why? Campo you need to understand that a ruck was formed, Botha was not tackling the fat Taffy, he was clearing him out! I have been 1000's of far tougher clear outs in Test matches and no penalty or citing? Strange you break the golden rule of any fair judgement, ask a High Court Judge? History is irrelevant [unless you are utterly biased], you must judge the act in isolation. Otherwise you give good credence to the conspiracy theorists that refs are biased against the Boks. I personally think Stuart Dickinson is biased for instance? I bet he has a major impact on the 3rd Test, he always does when the Boks are playing. That said I hope we see a 100% clean, committed game in the 3rd Test and may the best side win!
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by Brian Jardine July 4, 2009 15:37 GMT
Chomp, chomp. That's me eating my words. I said Boks will win by 15...seems I was a bit off (28 - 9). Well done to the Lions...for the first time in the series, I was actually impressed with their play. The deft touches in the back-line including those ending with Shane Williams' 2 tries were very good. If I was coaching the Boks, I'd hire a PR person so we can start cleaning up the image a bit. Right now, it is starting to look like we're a bunch of hot heads (Brussouw's penalty tainted all the good work he'd done throughout the match). And, the truth is, we're just passionate. Hire someone to teach the players how to channel their passion and things will be a bit better.
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by Greg Stewart July 5, 2009 06:20 GMT
This was not a dificult result to foresee.....PDV !!! If you select 2 wingers who are inept at defense, you MUST have a good covering open side flaner. But to make it worse, PDV selected a full back who is frequently out of position, and an 8th man not know for cover defense. Result: Lions wingers strolling in for tries, with Boks wingers pretending to miss vital tackles, and no full-back or flankers in sight. Solution: In the absence of Schalk, use Potgieter on the open side flank, move Juan Smith into lock (as he plays too tight in big matches anyway), and never select Kankowski (who struggles to make an impact in Super 14, let alone tests). I suspect PDV selected this squad to be able to use it, as the Boks were in for a hiding anyway. The silver linning from the tour.....PDV will never coach another South African team again !!!
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by Brasileiro July 5, 2009 06:30 GMT
Campo, It's not often I agree with an Aussie, but I'll agree with you. Firstly, Burger was lucky to get 8 weeks, it was deliberate, foul and completely against the values of rugby. Secondly, Bakkies did what he wanted, but the rules do not state that if you come from your side of the ruck you can do what you like. The fact is, Jones was doing his thing, Bakies came at full speed with one shoulder aimed at him. Regardless of what Jones was doing, Bakkies didn't level two shoulders, which is illegal and given the deliberate circimstances and the resulting injury through foul play, surely should have resulted in a longer suspension because of the potential (and actual) harm caused by his action. Finally, why is it that NZ and Aus have to put up with these situations on a yearly basis? (Let alone the Lions) When will SA remove this niggling, dirty approach from their game. Admittedly, the occasional All Black will be pulled for a high tackle, but since we removed the 'stomp' from a game (and how I wish those who laid over the top of the ball could be sanctioned), foul play rests only in the realm of those who are close to winning but cannot through lack of talent and sportsmanship, ie SA, France and possibly .Argentina
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by ryan karim July 6, 2009 14:19 GMT
Brasileiro...you are seriously smoking something son.... "ooh why are the boks so rough...and why must OZ and Kiwis have to deal with this...ooooh waaah waaaaah" ...c'mon now man up son, maaan the hell up. You think Oz and the Kiwis dont niggle, if thats true then i know a bridge id like to sell you partner. Lol..
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by Lionel Lambert July 26, 2009 16:27 GMT
Brasileiro, or whatever ur mother calls you...Bad Brad on John Smit...explain that one to me...Simon Shaw, Ronan O'Gara, BOD, the list goes on...u fools are of the opinion that Saffers cannot think, argue or reason...oh yes, that homosexual who went for Andries' nuts, you should know him, I heard you were roomies once.
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